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Hello all! I am back from the Caribbean, which was incredibly awesome (photos later!), particularly since it seems to have been a winter wasteland basically everywhere in the entire world last week.

I have so many posts to make! But first, tell me what happened to all of you. There is apparently major wank going on again? I always miss the big fandom debates.

Date: 2010-01-16 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] upstart-crow.livejournal.com
Hm. The only discussion I've seen lately is the always ongoing topic of how (and in a few cases whether) (mostly just straight, cis) women should write M/M romance.

Welcome back home!

Date: 2010-01-19 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com
Well, that's a pretty big discussion.

Thanks!

Date: 2010-01-16 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's the Appropriation Wars, with possibly extra impact on your life because (I gather) it may have been touched off this time by some nonsense having to do with badfic involving the creator/head writer/God-only-knows of Torchwood.

Horribly for me, the metafandom gig has made it impossible for me to avoid the thing entirely. Which means that I'm having a dreadful time keeping myself from saying things that will make everyone on all sides of the debate hate me. I am only one or two more posts-I-have-to-read away from being the very picture of that cartoon: Someone Is Wrong On The Internet. My advice would be to take heed from my fate, and avoid the whole ugly thing if you possibly can.

Srsly, you've never seen so many highly intelligent people being so fundamentally Wrong On The Internet all in one place before. Or at least, I haven't. Metafandom is bad enough; it's even worse on linkspam.

Date: 2010-01-16 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Skimming linkspam made me hide under the couch.

Date: 2010-01-16 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
Is there room for three under there?

Date: 2010-01-16 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Hee.

Honestly, I'd have reacted by now if I could figure out which camp I'm supposed to be reacting from, considering my personal ticky-box list.

Date: 2010-01-16 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
This is where my own personal major weirdness comes in handy. I have no ticky-boxes to worry about, and I think all the camps are wrong, and interrogating all the texts from the wrong perspectives, and taking umbrage for the pleasure of being indignant.

But I must be quiet about it. Or try to, because if I say anything where anyone sees it and anyone tells me to 'check [my] privilege,' I fear I might spontaneously become the first person to jump through the net and rip someone's throat out for real.

Date: 2010-01-16 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
I hear you.

I've got the:

- slash writer
- queer
- woman
- or maybe not
- how dare you obsfucate about your gender
- fanfic
- pro writer
- not pro enough!

blah blah blah, drama likely to come after me if I say anything.

Date: 2010-01-17 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
And drama it is: I have been awed in the past at the degree to which people begin to foam at the mouth when you say what I would have thought were relatively noncontroversial and nonconfrontational things.

Your list goes a long way to illustrate, though, what has always struck me as one of the oddest aspects of identity politics on the internet. People can go after you on these points because you're willing to allow your readers to know a certain amount about your offline life. If you were less generous, they'd have to engage with your ideas, the merits of which are independent of all these aspects of identity and affiliation. And maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen a lot of that in the course of the various dramas.

Which suggests to me that without the ad hominem in their arsenals, a lot of the people creating the drama have nothing, a thing which in turn suggests something about the substantive merits of their positions. And what it suggests is not something that reflects well on either the people or their positions.

Date: 2010-01-17 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com
Don't forget the cartoon about how Kripke Ruins Everything!

Date: 2010-01-17 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
Who could forget? (Although to be fair, or perhaps merely quasi-ignorant, I read it as less a cartoon about how Kripke Ruins Everything and more a cartoon about privacy, marriage, and gender.)

I'm not at all sure we should have linked it, because of the form and our usual rules. But that's not a rule I feel strongly about, and I didn't have the heart to argue over it. Besides, it didn't use the word "privilege," which more and more is making me twitch like an alcoholic gunfighter who's woken up to find all her guns and ammunition right where she left them, but all her alcohol gone.

Date: 2010-01-17 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com
It was a bit more ambiguous until you got to the comments and the crowd of people going "oh, Kripke doesn't realize what he's DONE!" and then I kind of started facepalming.

I do like the re-casting of the entire Marvel universe with people of color. That meme I am enjoying quite a bit, though I am now tempted to do my own photospam casting a new Star Trek show, rather than yet another crappy reboot.

Date: 2010-01-17 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shes-unreal.livejournal.com
I started trying to write fic again and took a hiatus from derby. I don't know how much you read me anyway though, so that might not be news.

Date: 2010-01-19 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com
I do read you! I am just bad (with everyone) about commenting. But I look forward to fic.

Date: 2010-01-17 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com
I would join in the chorus telling you to skip the debates. It's popped up via my flist and that's about as much of it I'm willing to engage with.

Date: 2010-01-19 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com
I normally like following debates, but am willing to listen to advice in this case, hee.

Date: 2010-01-19 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com
It's not like it won't come around again!

Date: 2010-01-20 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com
THIS IS SO TRUE.

Date: 2010-01-18 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steelehearts.livejournal.com
waiting for photos... surprisingly, my city, which is fairly warm even in winter, is experiencing much lower temperatures this year. (much lower by our standard, not yours :D) pictures of warm sunny seasides most welcome. :)

Date: 2010-01-19 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com
Hee, glad to hear it! I really need to get around to uploading those photos; probably either tonight or tomorrow.

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