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brigdh ([personal profile] brigdh) wrote2006-03-14 11:46 pm
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You know, it's funny how your perceptions of yourself changes.

I was reading back through the first few entries in this journal looking for something, and they're entirely recognizable as me. Which seems strange, because of course I wrote them, but that was four years ago; I didn't expect to see the exact same emotions and responses expressed. And though I like to think that I can write much better now, and therefore my entries now are more coherent and interesting, I still get annoyed at the same things, in the same way, I'm still amused by the same things. I even stumbled over this entry, which is so obviously the start of all the later entries I would come to write about rain and full moons and early morning light that it's startling.

But what I expected to see was someone else entirely. Lately, I've had this huge sense of change in myself; I feel like I changed dramatically in the last six months or year, though I don't know why or how and can't put my finger on exactly what might have changed. I keep thinking about it though, wondering in other contexts about how much a person can change, and how the way you define yourself affects the way you act, and how various people can perceive the same person differently.

I do, and always have, thought about myself as a nice person, but I don't mean quite the same thing by that as most people do. I just mean that, all other circumstances being equal, I'll do what I can to help other people. Not out of some sense of obligation or guilt or anything, but just because anything else is stupid. On the other hand, I was talking to my family the other day, because my brother was in trouble for having told a parent of one of the other kids on his baseball team to go fuck himself. And my dad was saying that they knew the guy must have really deserved it, because John was too nice to do that lightly. "Not like you," he added. "You're mean." Which was mostly a joke, but also is... kind of true. I'm never polite just for the sake of being polite; I'm too stubborn to do things I don't like. If someone does manage to make me angry, then yeah, I'm going to tell them. It's something I know about myself now, but it's not something I would have thought true a few years ago. But if my family is calling me on it, it must have always been there.

So maybe I haven't changed at all. I was depressed, severely, for a very long time, and I only started coming out of it about two years ago, in the fall of '04. I could just be finally settling in to who I am. Which is a strange thought, that I could have been hurt for so long that just to be normal feels new.

So... I don't know! What do you all think? Does the way you think about yourself change the way you actually are?

[identity profile] p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com 2006-03-15 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
Does the way you think about yourself change the way you actually are?

Short and glib answer? Hell, yes.

The degree to which it changes who you are, or can change who you are, probably has certain fixed limits. But it seems pretty clear to me that it does work, and can work in startlingly dramatic ways.

But here's an anecdote/illustration for you. My very first real job was as, essentially, an executive assistant. Every so often I had to go out and meet the public as Miss Assistant, and I was a shy and awkward girl. Then some dramatic corporate politics happened, and suddenly the executive was gone and I was the person doing everything he'd previously done. There was some general industry attention, and I was once again meeting the very same public who'd met me as Miss Assistant mere months before.

And I was a different person. I was poised and authoritative and reasonably outgoing; when I spoke people shut up and listened without my consciously doing anything to make them. Part of it came from inside, initially; part of it certainly came from outside, in that people were treating me differently; but even that changed things from the inside because it created a kind of feedback loop. I could feel myself being a different person -- using my body differently, doing different things with my voice -- and even though I was aware of it on some level, it was happening without anything by way of conscious effort or decision.

I tend to think that this, like so much else, will ultimately turn out to have a neurochemical explanation: that the way you think about yourself affects what your body and brain are doing by way of making and using all those chemicals. But whether that's what's going on or not, I think it's a real phenomenon.

Also? When you're coming out of a long illness, feeling normal does seem new. It's an amazing thing, like waking up in a brand new world.

[identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com 2006-03-16 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about! Especially "using my body differently, doing different things with my voice"; it feels so subtle, except that it's not, really, it's big changes, but ones that are hard to be aware of on a conscious level.

It's an amazing thing, like waking up in a brand new world.

Yeah. It's nice, though also kind of depressing, to think that you hadn't noticed before how much the world you were living in sucked.

[identity profile] mistressrenet.livejournal.com 2006-03-16 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Also? When you're coming out of a long illness, feeling normal does seem new. It's an amazing thing, like waking up in a brand new world.

Mmm, yes. Very much so. "Hey, sunlight looks like this? Who knew?"

[identity profile] cyanei.livejournal.com 2006-03-15 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
When I go look into the past, I was funnier and less honest. I wonder if I will look back on this time and see myself, again, as funnier and less honest. That would mean I get less funny and more honest with time. Hm!

[identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com 2006-03-16 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
Heh, that'd be interesting. You'll have to come back in four years and tell me if you're still on the same trend. *grins*

[identity profile] fadagaski.livejournal.com 2006-03-15 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
I still write liked a retard. *rolls eyes* I know I've changed since I started my journal, but based on content and style alone, you'd never believe it.

[identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com 2006-03-16 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, I don't think you write like a retard. Don't be so hard on yourself!

[identity profile] fadagaski.livejournal.com 2006-03-16 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
^_^

[identity profile] kessie.livejournal.com 2006-03-15 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I am still the childish geek that I was four years ago. I like to think I became slightly more maturer, but maybe not. :D I do know that I've changed a lot in a year, since the mess at home happened: I'm a lot less likelier to accept bullshit in RL, and I think possibly I've become a bit harder, but I still wear my emotions on my sleeves when it comes to people I know well. I also want to make people I know well happier online, even if I don't always succeed. Maybe this is that whole growing up thing, beginning to see beyond yourself. *ponders*

[identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com 2006-03-16 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, that's another good point I wanted to mention! I've seen a lot of people talk about "growing up" lately, but it seems so strange to me. Do you really not think of yourself as grown up yet? I mean, I would have been insulted if someone had implied I wasn't an adult yet when I was 16, never mind now.

I think other people must think of growing up in a very different way than I do.

[identity profile] kessie.livejournal.com 2006-04-11 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
(I kept thinking, "Reply to this, reply to this," so I'm doing it now before I rush off for Ice Age 2.)

I have sort of two ideas about growing up: one is the most obvious - you get older, leave school, hit college. You live on your own, eventually learn to drive, hopefully find a job. Romance is an option. :D This version of growing up is sort of hitting me reall hard by now because I skipped an optional year in secondary school and then only did a 3 year degree, so I'm faced with the Real World, Postgrad/Finding a Real Job, and learning to drive, and possibly moving out all at once. Hence why I've embraced fandom right now, I suppose.

In my family, however, I'm still treated somewhat as a kid even at twenty. When my parents split up, half the time I wasn't informed of things. When something serious comes up between the 'adults', I'm usually told to leave. This is all still with the unfortunate fact that I'm ten times better able to deal with things than my family, but I've learned to deal. This only happens at home, really, except I'm easily mistaken for someone younger, because I'm short and sound young. It drives me up the wall, but there's not a lot I can do.

The other version of growing up I have is keeping my inner child alive, which none of my family approve of. I watch anime, read too much, laze, prcrastinate. I smile, dance, bounce, act like a complete fool. My family gives me so much slack for it, but I refuse to stop because acting this way makes me happy, and I guess this is the idea of growing up that I really don't want to accept. I don't want to ever stop finding enjoyment out of the little things that make my day.

[identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com 2006-04-12 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
(Hee. I'm very impressed that you've been thinking about this for so long. Also: Ice Age 2! I liked it.)

Oh, interesting. I love to see how different people interpret the same idea, even when it's something like "growing up" which you'd think would be universal, at least within the same culture.

I suppose I've always thought of it simply as being mature, being able to make choices with the rationality and morals of an adult. Which sort of leads into the college/job/move out thing, because part of being mature is being independent and taking care of yourself, but those are more symptoms of a deeper cause rather than 'growing up' in and of themselves, if you know what I mean.

I totally agree with your second version, though. I don't understand why some people seem to equate growing up with becoming boring. There's no advantage, no reason at all, to want to find less joy in life! Why on earth do people ascribe value to that shutting off? I hate that idea. I can be fully intelligent and mature and independent and still enjoy flowers.
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[identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com 2006-03-16 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee. We totally should arrange to meet sometime.